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Post by avan on Dec 13, 2005 22:03:01 GMT -5
I think cores should be divied up to who needs them more. Obviously melee classes will have an advantage over hunters, Healers as well will need a certain amount of FR. if we equally divide the cores up, we would have to run MC an innumerable amount of times before everyone gets their gear. for the time being, most classes should just stick with FR greens, until main tanks/melee/healers get their fiery resistant shiny epic gear.
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Post by avan on Dec 13, 2005 22:10:40 GMT -5
Also, for ancient core hounds for core leather, and dark iron veins/nodes in MC, I can skin/mine both, and save them up. I'll need finkles skinner though , UBRS anyone? avandria
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Post by flamebeard on Dec 13, 2005 23:14:20 GMT -5
Well, the cores are for professions, and producing things, and not all of them are FR gear. certainly, the cores will go to someone who is going to use them, rather than to someone who wants them out of greed. and everyone will be getting their FR epic gear, since the sets do have FR on them. and about tanks/healers getting priority over hunters on FR gear, since when do tanks and healers wear mail? we dont have shamans. As soon as i obtain the recipe for the core marksman rifle, i will be needing BOTH lava and fiery cores, and you say that since someone else is a melee class they get priority on something that i can use to make one of the better end game weapons? something that is one of the only money making items in my profession? as well as the accurascope, another of the moneymakers for an engineer, who cant sell anything else. Bottom line, anyone who is going to use the cores for something should be getting the cores in equal shares. [edit] and of course i wouldnt hoard them. i'd just need enough to make myself that gun+scope, then i would wait till everyone has their FR gear before getting some again, that way i could actually make some money off of my god- (and blizzard-) forsaken profession. ( but its worth it for the cables and repair bot )
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Post by flamebeard on Dec 14, 2005 12:13:32 GMT -5
however, i can sell the gun, for copious amounts of money, since few people can make it, it is a great gun, and the leaf drops after DOMO. who is one of the harder bosses to down, so we won't be getting that leaf for a while, and it is only one leaf per kill, so there are other hunters there, not very many hunters in our guild are engy. not a crapload in ZG. www.thottbot.com/?i=51563 3.2% droprate www.thottbot.com/?i=52320 28.6% droprate www.thottbot.com/?i=51820 8.1% droprate thats a low chance of a ranged weapon, and the hoodoo bow, although its a 28.6% drop, drops froma rare spawn or spawned boss, so it is not that common. but honestly, the point is, it is a good gun, maybe not a good as some of the drops, but it is craftable. and what that means is other people in HC can get outfitted with a weapon that will allow them to be a worthwhile addition to a raid, and they can compete with people who have better weapons and more DKP to spend on better weapons.
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Post by flamebeard on Dec 14, 2005 12:14:28 GMT -5
and every hunter needs an accurascope.
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Post by avan on Dec 14, 2005 21:34:28 GMT -5
You dont need marksman rifle. tehre are far better guns for far better prices. And fire res epic gear isnt limited to mail. there are flarecore, and a plate set as well. i would rather give cores to an MT warrior than a hunter. they're ranged therefor not needing half as much as melee classes.
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Post by flamebeard on Dec 14, 2005 22:38:38 GMT -5
and i understand that. like i said, they are craftable, which gets people rifles when they wouldnt normally be able to get an epic weapon. and, there are NO better guns which are BoE, meaning there are no better guns which are at better prices, free maybe, but they are drop chances. and you know how drop chances work....beaststalker boots are a 10.6% drop chance in UD strat for example, but i have not seen them in my last ten runs, at all. so those guns are not consistent drops, and i understand there is more important FR gear than mine, but while we are on the subject of FR gear, lets look at those FR sets. I'm going to cover the core requirements, i'll disregard the others for now, since the topic is cores. Legend: FC= Fiery Core LC=Lava Core Dark Iron set: plate for warriors (don't think pallies need it as much, not sure though) Legs www.thottbot.com/?i=36416 FC:4 LC:6 Helm www.thottbot.com/?i=40651 FC:2 LC:4 Gauntlets www.thottbot.com/?i=40673 FC:5 LC:3 Bracers www.thottbot.com/?i=26629 FC:3 LC:3 Boots www.thottbot.com/?i=51792 FC:3 LC:3 Total for Dark Iron: FC: 17 LC: 19 now... Flarecore: (all cloth wearers, although i believe it is priority healers) Gloves www.thottbot.com/?i=27334 FC:6 Legs www.thottbot.com/?i=40679 FC:5 LC:3 Shoulders www.thottbot.com/?i=27182 FC:4 LC:4 Robe www.thottbot.com/?i=40649 FC:2 LC:3 (+ 10 Mooncloth) Wrists www.thottbot.com/?i=36425 FC:8 Flarecore Totals : FC: 25 LC: 10 Now for leather:(i grouped these as rogue and druid, but i realize druids might want some of the pure stamina stuff too) Druid: Corehound Belt www.thottbot.com/?i=40678 FC:8 straight up druid only items: FC:8 Rogue: (and druids who dont have Corehound Belt) Molten Belt www.thottbot.com/?i=40689 FC:2 LC:7 Lava Belt www.thottbot.com/?i=40652 LC:5 Molten Helm www.thottbot.com/?i=27836 FC:3 LC:6 Corehound Boots www.thottbot.com/?i=27559 FC:6 LC:2 Rogues+druids= FC:16 LC: 20 now, lets look at mail items. specifically, mail items for hunters, since we won't be making and shaman FR gear. Chromatic Gauntlets: actually provide useful bonuses besides FR www.thottbot.com/?i=40773 FC:5 LC:2 Black Dragonscale Boots:part of a set that has an FR bonus on each piece and as a set bonus, besides good crit+hit bonuses+stamina www.thottbot.com/?i=28132 FC:4 LC:3 totals for hunters FR gear: FC:9 LC:5 so, look how much faster you can get hunters out of the way on bidding for those cores. except, oh wait, there is just the matter of this www.thottbot.com/?i=37276a scope that every end game hunter needs to have. its core cost? LC:2 thats it, but we will need one for every end game hunter, and each gun/bow they get.
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Post by duffmckagen on Dec 17, 2005 5:09:16 GMT -5
im guessing dkp = damage per kill (im still trying to learn even all the basics) thanks!
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Post by haras on Dec 17, 2005 17:58:02 GMT -5
nvm
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Post by avan on Dec 18, 2005 9:55:25 GMT -5
dkp = dragon kill points if a certain item has 40 dkp, the person who gest the item now has -40 dkp to their dkp total, 40 dkp is then divided among everyone in raid group and added to their dkp pool, except for the person who won the item.
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Post by garfong on Dec 18, 2005 11:41:41 GMT -5
Who get's their FR crafter first is important to discuss. But why should priority be given to anyone, if they're going to use the cores to make a product that they intend to sell? Only way I can see that working is if the money went to the guild bank or something.
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Post by flamebeard on Dec 18, 2005 13:15:07 GMT -5
i wouldn't be selling items, unless we had extra cores, im talking about making weapons for other hunters to use for MC, as well a scope with +3% chance to hit that is apparently necessary for any hunter in MC.
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Post by avan on Dec 18, 2005 14:39:39 GMT -5
+3% chance to hit is not NECESSARY, success in molten core wont be dependent on whether or not hunter cant hit the target or not. It depends on the fact that the main tank has aggro 100% of the time and that the main tank does not die. Duffmckagen can now apparently make plate fire res gear, for future ref.
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Post by flamebeard on Dec 18, 2005 15:46:59 GMT -5
we want hunters in MC who are missing and not doing damage. ok i see. i will put all my stats towrds intel or strength now cause i dont need agility or hit chance or crit chance, kthx.
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Post by sigrdrifa on Dec 18, 2005 15:57:46 GMT -5
+3% chance to hit is worthless, as was calculated by people in thottbot when compared to the +dmg.
kthxbai.
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